[Monetdb-developers] cvs problems continue

Niels Nes Niels.Nes at cwi.nl
Thu Apr 6 10:01:42 CEST 2006

On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 09:40:29AM +0200, Jens Teubner wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 05:16:25PM +0200, Niels Nes wrote:
> > MonetDB developers
> > 
> > Seems switching to another 'sourceforge' like service isn't an option.
> > So we should try to get the best out of sourceforge. Reading their
> > remarks and some of the subversion documentation, it seems a good idea
> > to move to subversion. Does anybody have objections ? 
> Though I will not actually object, I am a bit sceptical about this.
>  -- Do we actually *know* SVN (on SourceForge) is any better than CVS?
>     "Reading their remarks and some documentation, it seems a good idea
>     to move to subversion" does not actually convince me.  CVS per se is
>     not unreliable at all.  Rather, we have been disappointed by the
>     services provided by *SourceForge* in the recent past.  That would
>     still be the case if we switched to SVN.
Your so right and before switching we plan to try out the conversion and
svn here. If we find out that svn doesn't work or gives no improvement we
will report that afcouse. 
>  -- Do we really need a replacement for SourceForge CVS?
>     I guess the current urge to switch to something else is mainly due
>     to the recent outage of SourceForge CVS.  From my side, this is the
>     only *major* CVS outage of SourceForge I can remember.  For sure
>     there have been issues every now and then, but that did not keep us
>     from making significant progress in our development.  And from what
>     we heard from Fabian, SourceForge's services aren't that bad,
>     compared to others.
We allready thought of switching before Sourceforge offered the server. So
its definetely not because of the recent long outage. This outage just made
us thing about it again. 
The main improvement we are seeking is during the freeze periode, then checkouts
on the release branch (and in general on the stable branch) are very slow. So
if that is improved by svn we would be happy.
>  -- What would be the consequences when switching to SVN?
>     Personally, I don't have any experiences with SVN, so I'd have to
>     learn something new.  (In fact, I'd even have to install the
>     software first, but both is not an actual problem :-).)  What
>     wonders me, though, is what impact the shift would have for, e.g.,
>     the TestWeb, Stefan's automated branch propagation scripts, etc.  If
>     it takes work on that side, my opinion is we'd better stay with CVS.
> In short: I'm sceptical about switching to SVN, just because we have
> been annoyed by the recent CVS outage on SourceForge.
Agreed we need more testing to prove its a good replacement. On the learning
front most commands you know about CVS are the same in svn, but also there
are some important differences. Stefan allready told me that any changes to 
the testweb will be small, ie some search and replace would do the trick.

> Jens
> -- 
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